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Post by azadaar110 on Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:12 pm

Ya Ali (as) Madad

Can someone tell me the history of Sakhi Shahbaz Qalandar? His life, his teachings (in relation to our Azadari), why we have the Nara of Shahbaz Qalandar etc etc.

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Post by Silat_warrior110 on Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:45 am

Lal Shahbaz Qalandar, a patron saint of Sindhis, was born early in the twelfth century in 1177 in Marwand, now Afghanistan, to a noble Makhdum, sayed Ahmed Kabir, who was a close friend of the King of Tabriz. Lal Shahbaz Qalandar’s real name was Syed Muhammad Usman and his mother was a high-ranking princess. He showed from his infancy signs of a deep spiritual nature. It is said that even when very young he had developed occult powers. He knew Quran by heart at age seven, and at twenty he was initiated into the Qalandar order.

He had three other friends: Baba Farid Shakar Ganj of Pakpattan [1174-1266]; Jalaluddin Bukhari of Uch- Bahawalpur [1196-1294] and Bahauddin Zakaria of Multan [1170-1267]. They are known to the Sufis as the four great friends, the great pioneers of 13th century Sufi movement. Lal Shahbaz Qalandar and his friends conceived the idea of coming over to India. The King of Baghdad, who loved and revered Lal Shahbaz Qalandar, entreated him not to leave Baghdad; but he, who felt the urge from within, could not see his way to remain, and soon after led his three companions on the holy mission that was to spreads Islam in India.

Many are the stories given about their adventurous journey: tradition is resonant with the voice of miracles. It is said that when the party arrived at the Persian Gulf and after they had reached one particular island they could not find a soul. They had to cross to some other place to secure a boat. Lal Shahbaz Qalandar said to his companions: "Depend upon God and enter the stream; but take care, you must have no attachment to the things of the world, otherwise the waters cannot give you a safe passage. Here is my bowl, lay your hands on it and it shall serve us as a boat." The four entered the stream. In the middle of the river the bowl began to sink and the companions along with it. Usman said to them, "One of you has some burden of the world on your person." Actually Bhawaldin, on of the three companions, had carried with himself a gold brick, calculating that it might be of some use on a rainy day. Marwandi ordered him to throw it into the river, and behold! As soon as the brick sant, the bowl came up and the friends safely reached the other side.

Lal Shahbaz Qalandar is said to have been challenged on the way by a famous ascetic to bathe in a tub of burning oil. He successfully passed the test. Thus he earned the title of Lal (a ruby) as the ascetic said to him, "Thou are indeed the Lal of Lal (the ruby of rubies)". This meant that Lal Shahbaz Qalandar was real gold having been tested by fire. He received no injury; only his robe turned crimson.

It is believed that Lal Shabaz Qalandar was so named because of the red robe he wore all his life, and a story is told of how Lal Shahbaz Qalandar rescued his friend Sheikh Farrid Shakar Ganj by a miracle from a baker's wife’s accusations.

The friends, in 1263, arrived in Sind, which included in those days Multan and some other portion of the Punjab, where people begged Lal Shahbaz Qalandar to stay. His three friends went to other lands. He continued journey south, eventually settling down in Sehwan in southern Sindh, where he took up residence in the trunk of a tree on the outskirts of town. Sehwan is located on the right bank of the Indus about 180 miles north of Karachi. Sehwan is famous for its ancient Shiva temple and the remains of Kafir-Qila, a fort reportedly made by Alexander. Lal Shahbaz lived and died in Sehwan.
The legend has it that the incumbent fakirs in Sewhan sent him a bowl of milk filled to the brim indicating that the place was already full of faqirs and there was no room for one more. He returned the bowl floating a single flower on the top suggesting by this reply that there was ample room for him, as he would remain among them floating as a flower. His legend spread far and wide by the time of his death in 1274. Thus a sacred flower was planted in the soil of Sind.

It is said that 17 leading tribes of Punjab accepted Islam at the hands of Baba Farid. Some of these tribes were Kharals, Dhudhyan, Tobian and also Wattoo, a Rajput tribe. Jalaluddin Bukhari converted the Soomros and Sammas of Sindh while Shahbaz Qalandar had a great following in Multan and Northern Sindh.

The shrine around Lal Shahbaz Qalandar tomb, built in 1356, dazzles the eye with its Sindh kashi tiles, mirror work and two gold-plated doors - one donated by the late Shah of Iran, the other by the late Prime Minister Zulfikar Bhutto of Pakistan. The inner sanctum is about 100 yards square with the silver canopied grave in the middle.
His annual Urs celebrations are held on the 18 Shahban - the eighth month of the Islamic lunar calendar. It attracts over half a million pilgrims mainly from Sindh and Punjab who flock into Sewhan, a small town of about 30,000. On each morning of the three-day feast, the narrow lanes of Sewhan are packed to capacity as thousands and thousands of pilgrims, fakirs and worshippers make their way to the shrine to commune with the saint.
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Re: Shahbaz Qalandar

Post by azadaar110 on Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:54 am

Thank you brother, that was very enlightening.

How does one achieve the status of 'Qalandarness'?
I am sure there are lots of people today who claim to be a Qalandar just like there are lots of self-titled 'Ayatullahs', so how can we assure that one is a true Qalandar? Also, is there anything about these Peers and Qalandars in the narrations of Ahlul Bait (as)?

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P.S: Is anyone able to post something regarding our Azadari in relation to the teachings of Shahbaz Qalandar? =)
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Re: Shahbaz Qalandar

Post by Silat_warrior110 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:36 am

Some famous saints are called Qalandar include Hazrat Lal Shahbaz Qalander and Bu Ali Shah Qalandar and other call a female by the name of Rabia Basri as half a Qalander. Today, the term Qalander in South Asia often refers to roaming Muslim teacher who may be spiritually associated with the above mentioned saints. There is also now a distinct community of Qalandars, found mainly in North India, who are traditionally associated with bear fighting. I would not say it is impossible to become a Qalandar, but this is not something that every believer can become. Consider the following sermon in Najul Balagha:-

SERMON 208

Amir al-mu'minin went to enquire about the health of his companion al-`Ala' ibn Ziyad al-Harithi and when he noticed the vastness of his house he said:

What will you do with this vast house in this world, although you need this house more in the next world. If you want to take it to the next world you could entertain in it guests and be regardful of kinship and discharge all (your) obligations according to their accrual. In this way you will be able to take it to the next world.

Then al-`Ala' said to him: O' Amir al-mu'minin, I want to complain to you about my brother `Asim ibn Ziyad.

Amir al-mu'minin enquired: What is the matter with him?

al-`Ala' said: He has put on a woollen coat and cut himself away from the world.

Amir al-mu'minin said: Present him to me.

When he came Amir al-mu'minin said: O' enemy of yourself. Certainly, the evil (Satan) has misguided you. Do you feel no pity for your wife and your children? Do you believe that if you use those things which Allah has made lawful for you, He will dislike you? You are too unimportant for Allah to do so.

He said: O' Amir al-mu'minin, you also put on coarse dress and eat rough food.

Then he replied: Woe be to you, I am not like you. Certainly, Allah, the Sublime, has made it obligatory on true leaders that they should maintain themselves at the level of low people so that the poor do not cry over their poverty

As you can see Imam Ali (as) was in reality the greatest example of a Dervish person. As from the above sermon you notice the words of Asim ibn Ziyad who wanted to be like Imam Ali (as), but the Mola (as) replied that he was not like him. It is for this very reason that not everyone can live a ascetic path. I hope this helps with your Question..
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Re: Shahbaz Qalandar

Post by Rational Mind on Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:13 am

Ya Ali Madad Azadaar 110.

I will not go into the history and will keep this reply very short but hopefully of some assistance to you Smile

There is only one qalandar and no other. A qalandar according to sufi's is someone who is the head of the spiritual/aesthetic fraternity.

These are self made personalities who through their efforts and endeavors reach this stage.

As such they can have as many qalandars as they so wish and have a qalandar for each age and not just the 3 above mentioned by brother Silat Warrior.

According to the shia/azadaar view (not the muqassir usooli/akhabari view) The qalandar is Sakhi Shahbaaz Qalandar who is a faqih.

But due to his devotional selfless love of the Aimma (as) he has been given the status of wali (authority) over momineen by the Aimma (as) and was ordained and sent by the Aimma (as) as a means of righteous guidance to momineen and is one who should be emulated as he narated hadeeth of the Aimma (as) and did not give personal opinions and was in control of his nafs.

Sakhi Shahbaaz Qalandar taught fiqh, aesthetics (tareeqat) and tauheed to all.

He was given the status of qalandar by the Aimma (as) and is the patron of all saints who are appointed by the Aimma (as).

He was the one who taught azadari in the sub continent and is our faqih and as such his nara (slogan) is chanted by us.
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Post by alialiali on Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:27 pm

yeah nice topic and posts mashalah, i agree with rational mind, there is one qalander only, like you gave example of buh ali shah qalander, from what i have heard and understood, he wanted to be ali (as) and after a long time he was granted maulas (Saw) scent then giving him the name buh,

as brother has shown a hadith too, a qalander knows there is only one Ali (saw) just like there is only 1 Allah, there cannot be another Ali (saw) so this is where we can distinguish between buh ali shah being a faqeer rather then a qalander. Also heard the meaning of sewan means one, sewan allah (swt), sewan muhamad (saw) sewan ali (saw) sewan lal shabaz qalander paak.

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Post by Azadar E Mazloom on Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:28 pm

alialiali wrote:yeah nice topic and posts mashalah, i agree with rational mind, there is one qalander only, like you gave example of buh ali shah qalander, from what i have heard and understood, he wanted to be ali (as) and after a long time he was granted maulas (Saw) scent then giving him the name buh,

as brother has shown a hadith too, a qalander knows there is only one Ali (saw) just like there is only 1 Allah, there cannot be another Ali (saw) so this is where we can distinguish between buh ali shah being a faqeer rather then a qalander. Also heard the meaning of sewan means one, sewan allah (swt), sewan muhamad (saw) sewan ali (saw) sewan lal shabaz qalander paak.

Your best post by far brother alialiali
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Post by Silat_warrior110 on Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:24 am

Why do people call shahbaz Kalandar Pak? was he masoom? and how do some people explain some of the un Islamic practices that take place at his shrine?
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Post by Rational Mind on Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:52 am

What is ismat? Is not every Wali of Allah masoom?

Ask those who practice, unless you think that the qalandar e qibriya has endorsed it or proposed it?
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Post by Silat_warrior110 on Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:29 am

You tell me.. would you have a hadith or verse in the Quran that supports this claim? As for these practices these people seem to be associating the name of Shabaz Kalandar when doing some of these un Islamic practices. As for example when some people smoke a joint they would call it a "Qalanadari" is this part of his sunnah? or what about woman dancing at the shrines and men watching?
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Post by azadaar110 on Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:22 am

Rational Mind wrote:Ya Ali Madad Azadaar 110.

I will not go into the history and will keep this reply very short but hopefully of some assistance to you Smile

There is only one qalandar and no other. A qalandar according to sufi's is someone who is the head of the spiritual/aesthetic fraternity.

These are self made personalities who through their efforts and endeavors reach this stage.

As such they can have as many qalandars as they so wish and have a qalandar for each age and not just the 3 above mentioned by brother Silat Warrior.

According to the shia/azadaar view (not the muqassir usooli/akhabari view) The qalandar is Sakhi Shahbaaz Qalandar who is a faqih.

But due to his devotional selfless love of the Aimma (as) he has been given the status of wali (authority) over momineen by the Aimma (as) and was ordained and sent by the Aimma (as) as a means of righteous guidance to momineen and is one who should be emulated as he narated hadeeth of the Aimma (as) and did not give personal opinions and was in control of his nafs.

Sakhi Shahbaaz Qalandar taught fiqh, aesthetics (tareeqat) and tauheed to all.

He was given the status of qalandar by the Aimma (as) and is the patron of all saints who are appointed by the Aimma (as).

He was the one who taught azadari in the sub continent and is our faqih and as such his nara (slogan) is chanted by us.


Maula Ali (as) Madad brother,

thanks for your reply. However, I have a further question which I believe I posed to brother Silat_Warrior110 too. How can we assure that Lal Shahbaz Qalandar is given the status of Qalandar by the Aimmah Tahireen (as)?

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Re: Shahbaz Qalandar

Post by Silat_warrior110 on Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:28 am

Well I am still waiting for an answer on why he is clamied to be masoom?. Not to add as to why they are Un-Islamic practices that take plce in his Shrine and even supported by heads of variours matami groups round the world...?
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Post by Rational Mind on Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:45 am

Why are there so many toyotas in London, why so many chip shops in southend, why so many broken pavement slabs in slough?

Do you see the futility of these questions brother Silat? if you do, then you should realise how futile your questions are regarding 'WHY' people do certain things at the mausoleum of Shabaz Kalander.

You need to ask those people and not us, we do not know why others do something, we can not read another persons intentions.

Can you actually state what the heads of the matami group have done which is un-islamic? or is this a blind accusation without proof?

Heads of matami groups may be involved in un-islamic practices, but answer me this, if you saw a head of a matami or non matami group partaking in an un islamic activity in say somewhere like Mecca, would you suggest an answer as to why they take place?

For example, men and women circumnavigating the kaaba wearing nothing but 2 sheets, how about nah mahrams in one place being jostled and pushed? how about mahram and non mahram running togethor at safa and marwa?

You explain those first and then we can talk about the behaviour at mausoleums?

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Post by azadaar110 on Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:26 pm

Waiting for your answer, brother Rational Mind Smile
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Post by Rational Mind on Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:54 am

MY answer Azadar 110? lol, im waiting for Silat Warrior Very Happy
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Post by Rational Mind on Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:00 am

But Azadar in relation to your question, a Syed, who taught nothing but Ya Hussain (as) and the Wila of Mola (as) mentioned himself to be the qalandar in His poetry.

" Haideriam qalandaram mastam, banda e Ali(as) murtaza hastam"

Now if you do not believe that appointment to be from the Aimma (as) then disprove it, and if you do then accept it.

It is not necessary that we will have proof of all the Wali's (friends) of Allah (swt) that the Aimma (as) have appointed, but we have a failsafe test and that is wilah of Mola (as) and if a claimed Wali is a follower of the Aimma (as) and does not supplant his or her own ideas and opinions as theirs, and does not try and amass power and welath, we can be pretty sure that person is genuine.

Lal Shahbaz Qalandar was a faqih!
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Post by Azadar E Mazloom on Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:42 am

Rational Mind wrote:MY answer Azadar 110? lol, im waiting for Silat Warrior Very Happy

Yes brother RM, I believe Azadaar110 meant that he is waiting for brothers Silats reply to your questions Smile
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Post by Silat_warrior110 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:29 pm

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"why so many broken pavement slabs in slough? "

looooooooooooooooooooooool thats some funny Sh*t! LMAO!

I do not really need to reply to this post, actions count louder then words so I let you see a video that will do all the talking:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxuiLit7kD0&feature=related
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Post by Rational Mind on Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:14 am

Again those or individuals/groups indulging in that behaviour. If People start selling drugs in a mosque, does that make a mosque a bad place, or the teachings of islam wrong?

See again if you look closely at what you are saying, then this is your argument:
Laal Shahbaz Qalander> Teacher> Wali> Buried in shrine> Bad things happen at the shrine> Bad teachings.

Now apply that to a local modern day mosque where backbiting, politics and embezzlement of funds etc takes place...

Mosque> Place of worship and religious gathering> populated by muslims> back biting, gheeba, stealing, politicking, misguidence > Islam is bad.

This is the same sort of irrational indiscriminate approach you have adopted, so before we move to shrines, justify mosques.

Once you have justified the mosques, we can move on to shrines Smile

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Post by Silat_warrior110 on Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:21 am

Very Happy
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Post by Javed Abbas on Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:25 am

Salam and Ya Ali Madad i totally agreed to the views of my brother azadar e mazloom and give a piece of advice to my brother slat that critisizing others is the world easyiest task and to make ourself self consicious is the difficult can u claim that u r perfect at qaimat the only those people will be blessed who,s beliefs r correct namaz and other acts r second of the right aqidah

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Post by Javed Abbas on Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:36 am

Always think positive and give advise 2 others with ur acts not only 4 ur wordings.At this occasion i narrates the saying of Mola Ali a.s which is as bellow
"You do good and people call u bad is much better than You did bad and People will call u right or good."

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Post by Silat_warrior110 on Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:32 am

Wasalam thanks for sharing your views, but what has this got to do with the topic at hand? unless you have anything to add please feel free to do so...
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Post by Javed Abbas on Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:01 pm

Bolo Bolo Bolo Sakhi Lal Qalander Mast ALI ALI ALI A.S flower

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Post by Silat_warrior110 on Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:37 pm

Have you got a Quran or Hadith for this nara?
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