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4 safeers? any evidence?

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Post by alialiali on Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:03 pm

4 safeers that came about after imam mahdi (as) i have heard they took khums from people and answered questions? also they were appointed by the imam (as)??? i also hear theres is a hadith saying one fo them was a good person but theres nothing more but this that people base everything on?

no where does it show about them in quran? theres no hadith that says the next appointed is such and such? were any of them at the burial of imam naqi (as) ? i heard they were not there is this true?

its really confusing me, i believe every event is very important and we only follow from quran and hadith nothing else, so all i want is answers from quran and hadith, nothing from other sources, just simply quran and hadith please.

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Post by alialiali on Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:03 pm

sorry guys i meant imam askari (as) burial that the 4 safeers were not there?

also i do understand there are hadiths of characteristics of a leader which shias say its of the 4 safeers and a hadith i think that shows a specific saffer wasa good person?



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Post by Rational Mind on Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:13 am

What evidence do you want? To show what? To what purpose?
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Post by Rational Mind on Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:14 pm

Imam Jaffar as Sadiq (asws) said:

'There are two occultations for Qaem. One is short and the other prolonged. In the short occultation only the special shias will know of his whereabouts. And in the longer occultation only his trustworthy servants will know where he is"

(Al Kafi Vol. 1 Pg. 340. Ghaibat Nomani Pg. 180)

If you read Ghaibat u Tusi by Abu Ja’far Muhammad Ibn Hassan Tusi, known as “Sheikh al-Tayefah, his book contains the letters sent by the Imam (atfj) ordering the appointment of the safeers.

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Post by Silat_warrior110 on Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:38 am

The main purpose of the Wikala was to collect the khums, the zakat, and other kinds of alms for the Imam from his followers including been narrators of hadith. Although the Wikala may have had other purposes at that time, the sources rarely record them. During the life of Imam Sadiq (as) he himself directed the activities of the organization with such care that the `Abbasids were not aware of its existence. The used to ask some of his followers to carry out certain tasks for the organization without informing them that they were in fact his agents. In this way the system of safirs had always existed even during previous Imams (as). However it was very important to keep the secrecy of the safirs due to previous safirs been killed.
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